Posts by Lady Liberty

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Who Is Johannes Greber Anyway?? What is the Society hiding???

by Lady Liberty in

for those of you who have no idea who i am talking about i invite you to take a moment and find out how this person played a part in the translation of john 1:1 for the new world translation.

regardless of wether you believe in the trinity or not, you will certainly be shocked and disgusted at where the society quotes from this source.. just thought you oughta know!!.

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/who_is_greber.htm.

ATTENTION: 587/607 Buffs..

by deaconbluez in

jw
friends

how would you answer this:.

"it's simple: we know there was a 70-year exile, and that that the jews returned in 537bce.

so 537bce minus 70 years equals 607bce!

Lady Liberty

Here is another chart from another poster from the same thread: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/111283/1.ashx

Here is something originally on Quotes web site. It is now on Reexamine.org

http://www.reexamine.org/quotes/607bce-table.htm

Regnal Years of Babylonian Kings During Occupation of Jerusalem

Timeline Overview Table

This chart summarizes the Watch Tower Society quotes collected and presented elsewhere (http://Reexamine.Quotes/607bce.htm). Please refer to that page for verification of the kingly succession and regnal years presented below.

Remember: for BCE dates, going backwards in time means the numbers get bigger (i.e. counting backwards in time: 3 CE, 2 CE, 1 CE, 1 BCE, 2 BCE, 3 BCE, ... 539 BCE, 540 BCE, 541 BCE, etc.)

Begin counting backwards in time from: the fall of Babylon to the Persians (539 BCE) in the 17th year of the reign of Nabonidus
Count backwards in time back to: the fall of Jerusalem to Babylonians under the rule of Nebuchadnezzar II (during his 18th regnal year)

Summary of Babylonian kings reigning over Jerusalem

Calendar Year	Nabonidus: 17 yrs	Labashi-Marduk: < 9 months	Neriglissar: 4 yrs	Evil-Merodach 2 yrs	Nebuchadnezzar II 43 yrs
539 BCE	17
540	16
541	15
542	14
543	13
544	12
545	11
546	10
547	9
548	8
549	7
550	6
551	5
552	4
553	3
554	2
555	1
556	0 (accession year)	less than 9 months	4
557			3
558			2
559			1
560			0 (accession year)	2
561				1
562				0 (accession year)	43
563					42
564					41
565					40
566					39
567					38
568					37
569					36
570					35
571					34
572					33
573					32
574					31
575					30
576					29
577					28
578					27
579					26
580					25
581					24
582					23
583					22
584					21
585					20
586					19
587					18 *
588					17
589					16
590					15
591					14
592					13
592					12
594					11
595					10
596					9
597					8
598					7
599					6
600					5
601					4
602					3
603					2
604					1
605 BCE					0 (accession year)

* Watch Tower Society and "wordly scholars and historians" agree that Nebuchadnezzar II conquered Jerusalem during his 18th regnal year. Therefore, according to Watch Tower Society's chronology of the kings of Babylon and the lengths of their reigns, Nebuchadnezzar II conquered Jerusalem in the year 587 BCE (i.e. not 607 BCE).

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ATTENTION: 587/607 Buffs..

by deaconbluez in

jw
friends

how would you answer this:.

"it's simple: we know there was a 70-year exile, and that that the jews returned in 537bce.

so 537bce minus 70 years equals 607bce!

Lady Liberty

Dear Deconbluez,

I feel a bit rusty on the subject as I haven't talked about it in a few months.. But the key is in the 70 years. The Bible speaks of 70 years of servitude, not complete exile. Yes, ones were taken during the 609 time period, but that was way before Jerusalem was actually destroyed. Jerusalem was actually destroyed in 586/587. Remember Daniel, Shadrack, Meshack and Abendigo? They were some of the first ones to get taken captive to Babylon. If I remember correctly, it was around 607 some time. So for them, they would have been in servitude for 70 years by the time Cyrus released them from servitude in 537. But for years up to 586/587 there were thousands at a time taken at different times. It was a big help to me to actually read the account in Daniel and Jeremiah. Keep in mind the Bible tells us it was in Nebachadnezzars 19th reignal year that he destroyed Jerusalem. However, in 607 he wasn't even King yet, but rather a prince. In 605 he suceeded the throne. So you can see 607 was not his 19th reignal year. Here is something I posted some time ago that may help you.

Sincerely,

Lady Liberty

Hi everyone,

I just made this chart for my brother-in-law using the Bible as well as the book entitled Assyrian & Babylonian Chronicles by A.K. Grayson printed in 1975. Grayson is a world renound expert used to decipher the Assyrian and Babylonian Chronicles for the British Museum. I checked out this book from the local library. Although they had to send away to a College University for it. A interesting note: the Society uses this very book in the Insight Vol.2 under Nebuchadnezzar to support their dates. When I got this book, it was for the purpose of checking their dates and quotes of this author. As you will see by this chart, they have misquoted him to serve their own deceitful purpose! I included scriptures that support the chronicles. Like I said, I made this for my brother-in-law, but thought someone out there might be able to use it.

Have a great night!

Lady Liberty

The Seventy Years: 609 to 539 BCE

609- Nabopolassars 17 th reignal year. Babylon was dominating all surrounding nations. See Jer. 25:11, 25:17- 26. 27:6-8, 12-13(All the nations will have to SERVE the king of Babylon seventy years.) The 70 years begin. ( Babylonian Chronicle 3- BM 21901)

607- Nabopolassars 19 th reignal year. Nebuchadnessar was not even in power yet! He was only a crowned prince at this time. (Babylonian Chronicle 4 –BM 22047)

605- Nabopolassars 21 st reignal year. Battle of Carchemish , between Egypt and Babylon. Nabopolassar dies and Nebuchadnezar accends the thrown. This is year 0 for Nebuchadnezzars reign. Daniel finds himself exiled to Babylon, as well as the Royal offspring of Jerusalem, the utensils of the house of Jehovah were carried to Babylon. See Daniel 1- 2:1. Jer. 29:1,20 (Babylonian Chronicle 5- BM 21946)

603- Nebuchadnezzars second reignal year. See. Dan. 2:1

586/587- Jerusalem burned. Nebuchadnessars ninteenth reignal year. See Jer. 52:12-16 (There were still lowly ones left remaining in the city.)

562-End of Nebuchadnezzars reign.

557-Neriglissars third reignal year. ( Chronicle 6 –BM 25124)

556- Nabonidus becomes King. (Nabonidus Chronicle 7- BM35382)

539- 70 are fullfilled. Nabonidus is King of Babylon at this time. Cyrus overtakes Babylon in one night. Handwriting on the wall. Jews released from servitude. See- Dan. 5:25-26 Jer. 25: 12 ( Nabonidus Chronicle: Chronicle 7-BM 36304)

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UPDATE

by FadingELD in

i would like to think everyone for thier the support through my famalies trying times.

well things did not turn out the way i was hoping it would have so far.

my wife has not come home as of yet and has no plans to.

Lady Liberty

Dear Fading ELD.

(((HUGS))) Thank you for updating us, as we are sincerely interested in what happens to you and your family! Hang in there. At least you and your wife are talking. The shock and newness will fade and she will be left wondering what in the heck has she left her family for? Can you reason with her that it is her moral obligation before Jehovah to stay with her family even if you choose to leave the borg? Can you explain to her that you have not left Jehovah? Perhaps you have already tried these things without any sucess. Never say never though. She may in time come around. Till then you and your sons have our love and support! We look forward to hearing more from you, and hearing your experiences.

Sincerely,

Lady Liberty

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Newbies & Lurkers: If You Haven't Heard This Audio, Don't Miss It!!

by Lady Liberty in

dear friends,.

many of you are new here, and were so happy to have you.

if you have not heard this audio, i invite you for a treat.

Lady Liberty

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Prophetic Speculations - What a Sad List of Embarrasing Dissappointments

by Lady Liberty in

thank you alan feuerbacher!!http://corior.blogspot.com/2006/02/some-prophetic-speculations.html.

some prophetic speculationsalan feuerbacher.

1831: william miller begins preaching christ's return in the fall of 1843.. 1842: miller and followers begin publishing a journal, the midnight cry.. 1843, late: miller and followers disappointed; fix christ's return in the spring of 1844.. 1844, spring: miller and followers disappointed; fix christ's return on october 22, 1844.. 1844, late: miller and followers anticipate disappointment.. 1844, october 21: miller says: "i told some of my brethren christ would not come on the morrow" because the second coming would be "in an hour they think not".

Lady Liberty

BTTT

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Jehovahs Witnesses - Researching the Watchtower - Information!!

by Lady Liberty in

hello all and happy saturday!!.

just thought i would bring to the fore a couple of great reference sources for those doing research.

see: http://corior.blogspot.com/.

Lady Liberty

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For NEWBIES and LURKERS..info. for you!!

by Lady Liberty in

jw
friends

dear friends,.

seems like everyday there are more and more new ones finally getting brave enough to come forward.

and welcome to all you lurkers too!!

Lady Liberty

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Question (s) from the newbie

by bite me in

go easy on me, please, as i am new to this board.

i have a question, i know chances are this has been answered in one form or another.

but can anyone tell me, exactly or roughly how much of the bible jw's actually use.

Lady Liberty

Dear Biteme,

WELCOME to the forum. Good question, looks like it has already been answered. Look forward to hearing more from you!

Sincerely,

Lady Liberty

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feelings of guilt

by confused and lost in

as some of you are aware i am in the early stages of doubting the wts as the only channel of truth.however i am assailed by feelings of guilt.am i being seduced by the words of disgruntled witnesses or ex-witnesses or am i truly doubting !

!maybe some of you felt this way in the early stages of your "defection" from the wts.sometimes i feel as though i am rejecting god and his organization but other times i feel so strongly that the wts has misled me and is acting to control my "loyalty" by vieled threats of destruction at armageddon.you see prior to becoming a jw i had no religious affiliations.i knew nothing about the bible or god.so for 20 yrs i have only known watchtower teachings and un-learning 20yrs of this is making me so indesicive.am i doing the right thing or not ?

my only solace is prayer.i have prayed to god to show me in some way what the truth really is.i must admit that these prayers have been the most heartfelt i have ever said.have others felt this way and if so how did they deal with it ?i would truly appreciate some feedback.

Lady Liberty

Dear Confused and lost,

My heart truely goes out to you, because I know exactly how you are feeling. It is a inner turmoil. I found solice in prayer. I knew Jehovah knew I was sincere, just as he knows you are. He knew I was scared, he knew I wanted to find the truth to all of it, even if it meant the truth was what I had been raised to believe it was. Rather then praying for it to be the truth, or for it not to be the truth, I prayed for truth no matter what it was. I prayed for holy spirit to direct me, and to make sure of all things. By doing this, I became even more determined to research and get to the bottom of it.

One thing that I did that I to this day still try to practice, is not to take anyones word for my research. Instead of believing everything I heard, I wanted proof, copies or scans of articles if I didn't have the bound volumn, websites, to see for myself ( such as the UN website regarding the Watchtower scandal. Also, the British museums website to find Chronicles regarding 607...etc..) I checked and double checked EVERYTHING. In time I realised how much we as Witnesses were being lied to. I knew how much Jehovah hates a liar, and Holy Spirit helped me to see what I needed to do. Things will become clearer. Just give it some time. Keep your relationship with Jehovah and Jesus close. They will NOT abandon you! And because you are sincere, and are seeking truth, they will help you find it no matter what it proves to be! (((HUGS)))!!!

Hang in there!! We are here for you!!

Sincerely,

Lady Liberty